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Jamie Wheal's avatar

nicely done and thoughtfully parsed! I've always had an ear cocked for Bahai and didn't go deeper for most of the reasons you mentioned at the end. Know Rutt, Hall et al well in the Game B space and while I dig their thinking, the community seemed to devolve to LARPing the apocalypse. Regardless of our aesthetic preferences, it's Manichean dualistic memetics or bust at this point. If you're not pitching your tale as an ultimate showdown between Good and Evil your narrative will get run over and out competed by those who do. So time to come down of the non-dual galaxy brain mountain and sling some dank memes that galvanize and mobilize. And many of them are religious.

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Iuval Clejan's avatar

Perhaps GameBers are deluded in thinking they have figured out all the design principles for a successful global civilization. Or maybe they have, but for some reason (game A is too cozy to give up at this point?) they are not implementing them. Don't you think that if they could successfully "be the change", that galvanization would happen even if their ideas don't resonate with most of the world's religious sensibilities? Do ideas matter that much if the masses see people that have belonging, material prosperity, small inequality, and meaning? The ideas might seem strange and unfamiliar at first, but if they see these things, wouldn't they want to adopt them eventually?

As far as the Ba'hai, how do they deal with psychopaths and other dark tetrad personalities? Or death cults? This is one advantage of the Manichean meme (besides the galvanization Jamie talked about), that it gives immunity to such personalities or movements (but also encouraging death cults), but maybe the Ba'hai have another way of dealing with it.

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